Sunday, November 11, 2007

For those who might be leaning toward a Richard Mouw/Greg Johnson/Craig Hazen approach to Apologetics, here's a bit of insight from Gina Pastore, wife (and multi-talented assistant) of Frank Pastore, KKLA Afternoon Drive-Time Host. Gina sent me this interesting email . . . sad proof of a successful Mormon strategy, and the naivete of Cultural Apologists like Mouw, Hazen, Johnson and others:

Today, while on a morning walk, three young men on ten speeds rode alongside me for a few minutes. I recognized they were Mormons, and smiled and said hello. One of them asked if he could speak to me regarding "Divine revelation, and salvation through Jesus Christ." I told him that I was a Christian, and that I knew they were LDS, and that there was no need to try and convert me . . . . He stopped, and said they wanted to talk. So, we did, and actually had a very nice conversation. I was surprised, however, by something they told me . . . . One of them made the comment that "Evangelical leaders are even saying that we're Christians." I asked him what Evangelical leaders said that, and he said he didn't know - but, that they were given that report by the men training them for their mission. I thought that was very interesting . . . and it made my conversation with them less compelling.



Francis J. Beckwith said...

This sort of anecdotal evidence has no bearing on the question of whether Hazen, et al are doing the right thing. After all, what if somebody were to reject your criticism on the grounds that it seems to rely on anecdotal evidence, and that is not a good way to conduct a serious inquiry on such an important subject? You would, rightfully, say that that your case is a matter of principle and not of consequences, and that the citation of such evidence should not be confused with your principled objection to the tactics you find flawed. In that case, the anecdotal evidence is irrelevant, which raises the question as to why one should bring it up at all?

Consider this: imagine if Mrs. Pastore had the exact experience, but it was with LDS missionaries who said that they would never consider the traditional Christian message because of abrasive talk show hosts like Frank Pastore who lack an artful and winsome manner? You would, rightfully, say that that is a poor reason not to consider the Christian gospel.


6:01 PM  
JohnD said...

I once wondered if once great men and women of God who staked their reputation on a falsehood later defended that error out of some sense of personal damage control... but now I see with my own two eyes it's out of satanic deception through the wide open highway of the human heart.

The Mormon god is a false god. The LDS religion has thrown scripture to the wind.

There was a time when that was enough for the likes of Hazen, Zacharias, and Beckwith.

I for one hope they wake up and realize they are far down the wrong road.

Matthew 7:19 “Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.20 “Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.22 “Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Hebrews 6:1 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God,2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.3 And this we will do if God permits.4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.7 For the earth which drinks in the rain that often comes upon it, and bears herbs useful for those by whom it is cultivated, receives blessing from God;8 but if it bears thorns and briars, it is rejected and near to being cursed, whose end is to be burned.

9:18 PM  
JohnD said...

Matthew 24:10 “And then many will be offended, will betray one another, and will hate one another.11 “Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many.12 “And because lawlessness will abound, the love of many will grow cold.13 “But he who endures to the end shall be saved.

This time Jesus spoke of is here.

9:21 PM  

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