still no mormon 'authority.'

[Christian]

Joseph smith and ollie cowdery went out into the woods, played "church," ordained and baptized each other into their new religion and we Christians are supposed to believe their little game is 'from God?'

I don't think so!

[Christian]

YAWN....... Nobody really cares what you opinion is on the subject.

Except for you. You keep responding. . .

[Erundur]

What are you talking about? Mormons have the Royal Priesthood, as you admitted in this thread (http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/showthread.php?3809-WHO-has-more-authority-than-I-do).

[alanmolstad]

What are you talking about? Mormons have the Royal Priesthood, as you admitted in this thread (http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/showthread.php?3809-WHO-has-more-authority-than-I-do).



I clicked over to that linked topic...

First, I have a real problem with the way EVERYONE seems to post on that topic.
You guys got into the habit of quoting each other without really telling us who is being quoted or who is speaking.
You guys seem to think that if you put some words in color that this helps?.......it dont!

Now....as for the suggestion that the poster known here CHRISTIAN has "admitted" something about the Mormon "Royal Priesthood"on that linked topic?......well ,show us where?


There are a lot of pages, lots of posts....so Im afraid you are going to need to point to the post number # so that you can back-up your comment about Christian admitting stuff.



What post number?

[Erundur]

Now....as for the suggestion that the poster known here CHRISTIAN has "admitted" something about the Mormon "Royal Priesthood"on that linked topic?......well ,show us where?
In post #2 I pointed out that if Mormons don't have the Royal Priesthood, then the subject is off-topic and should be posted in another forum.
In post #3 "Christian" confirmed that this is the correct forum to discuss the subject, admitting that Mormons have the Royal Priesthood.

[alanmolstad]

In post #2 I pointed out that if Mormons don't have the Royal Priesthood, then the subject is off-topic and should be posted in another forum.
In post #3 "Christian" confirmed that this is the correct forum to discuss the subject, admitting that Mormons have the Royal Priesthood.
ahh....no...that's just a conclusion you want to draw...

And, truthfully...you really dont got much to support that conclusion.

But on the other hand , if you really want to know what opinion CHRISTIAN has on the topic?, just ask him.

You dont need to try to force it...
Besides no one is going to trust your opinion if you are so clearly attempting to force that conclusion anyway...
(And you dont want to come off looking as if doing that correct?)

So if you want to know where CHRISTIAN stands on the issue?, just ask him?




or if you are busy I can ask him?

[Erundur]

ahh....no...that's just a conclusion you want to draw...

And, truthfully...you really dont got much to support that conclusion.
If you disagree, feel free to explain why my conclusion doesn't follow.

[Christian]

What are you talking about? Mormons have the Royal Priesthood, as you admitted in this thread (http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/showthread.php?3809-WHO-has-more-authority-than-I-do).

Why do you make such COMPLETELY FALSE CLAIMS as you have made here? I have NEVER (not in THAT thread or any other) said that those who believe false gods and false christs have the Royal Priesthood of the REAL Jesus Christ.

So please CEASE with the things YOU KNOW TO BE FALSE and try telling the TRUTH for a change.

YOU KNOW the mormons have no 'authority' from God. They have only MANMADE authority from joey smith's and ollie cowdery's "lets play religion" game over only the suckers who follow their false religion. Nobody else cares about their supposed 'authority. . .' it is NOT FROM GOD. It is only from ollie and joey smith

[Christian]

It doesn't take a scholar to see the flaw in Christian's "Royal Priesthood" debacle.

He claimed all one has to do to be part of this "Royal Priesthood" without any other criteria is to profess a belief in Christ.... Mormons profess a belief in Christ, ergo, we are part of this Royal Priesthood with all the authority that Peter had.

I'm guessing Christian didn't think it through very well...

I said NOTHING about 'professing' anything. BELIEF IN THE REAL JESUS CHRIST is not the same thing as believing in the manmade gods and goddesses of joe smith or ollie cowdery (IF ollie ever believed any of it at all).

Mormons follow a false christ and a false prophet. . .ergo you are NOT part of the Royal Priesthood of the REAL Jesus Christ.

[alanmolstad]

If you disagree, feel free to explain why my conclusion doesn't follow.

You cant say to someone, "Hey you posted on this topic, therefore you must automatically totally agree with me"and expect me not to laugh at that type of silly conclusion..... :)

[alanmolstad]

If you disagree, feel free to explain why my conclusion doesn't follow.
Another thing that shows a weakness in your conclusion about what CHRISTIAN believes is the way you avoid asking him directly what he believes...

[alanmolstad]

In post #2 I pointed out that if Mormons don't have the Royal Priesthood, then the subject is off-topic and should be posted in another forum.
In post #3 "Christian" confirmed that this is the correct forum to discuss the subject, admitting that Mormons have the Royal Priesthood.

Mod edit

The ***le of this topic is "Still no Mormon 'authority.'"

It might mean something to you, it might mean a different thing to me...it might mean a totally different thing to another person.

So both your ideas are just so silly and juvenile .
( they actually make me wonder just how old a person is Im dealing with?)

If CHRISTIAN believes he has something important to offer this topic, who are we to say he has no right to do so?
Just because we think his points of views are a bit different on the topic than our own does not mean that he cant share them.....correct?

If CHRISTIAN believes this is the correct topic to share his views on, (and you asked him about that and he clearly does) More power to him!

You should welcome him to the conversation and look forward to reading his comments.(The Golden Rule type of response)

[Erundur]

Why do you make such COMPLETELY FALSE CLAIMS as you have made here?
Why do you ask questions based on false premises?


I have NEVER (not in THAT thread or any other) said that those who believe false gods and false christs have the Royal Priesthood of the REAL Jesus Christ.
Of course not! You said that Mormons have the Royal Priesthood of the REAL Jesus Christ.


YOU KNOW the mormons have no 'authority' from God.
That is a lie.

[Erundur]

You cant say to someone, "Hey you posted on this topic, therefore you must automatically totally agree with me"and expect me not to laugh at that type of silly conclusion..... :)
Okay, but that's not what I said, is it?

[Erundur]

Another thing that shows a weakness in your conclusion about what CHRISTIAN believes is the way you avoid asking him directly what he believes...
If I ever care what "Christian" believes, I'll ask him.

[Erundur]

Both ideas are silly....
No they're not. If Mormons don't have the Royal Priesthood, then "Christian"'s boasting about his supposed authority has no place in the Mormonism forum because there is no connection to Mormonism. If you feel there is a connection, feel free to enlighten me.

[alanmolstad]

Okay, but that's not what I said, is it?

Im afraid so.....
Check post #8

this is why I think your conclusion is so laughable....and I would not be surprised that someone points out that your conclusion is clearly misrepresenting another guest's views....

No one has the right to say in effect, "Only people that agree with "position A" can post on this topic and as you posted on the topic it therefore must mean you agree with position "A"





Now so that you truly understand what Im saying, I will go over this for you:
First I will quote you -
"In post #2 I pointed out that if Mormons don't have the Royal Priesthood, then the subject is off-topic and should be posted in another forum.
In post #3 "Christian" confirmed that this is the correct forum to discuss the subject, admitting that Mormons have the Royal Priesthood. "

In the upper line of your quote you state that "if Mormons don't have the Royal Priesthood, then the subject is off-topic and should be posted in another forum."
I look at that quote and ask, "Says who?"

I mean, face the facts of life guy....a check of any topic on this whole forum shows you that topics tend to go wandering all over the map...and that even a few that do stay tight to the single topic do have to allow some wiggle-room for different points of view.

Now lets look at the ***le of this topic - it says - "Still no mormon 'authority.'
From this ***le that is given for this conversation we can expect different views on the subject of "Mormon Authority"....
So we should expect to find some people posting comments who do support Mormon Authority, and some people that do not.

I dont believe Mormons have any real authority, or any calling from God, or any (let me quote this) , any " Royal Priesthood".

Thus I believe I am posting my anti-Royal Priesthood views here on this topic correctly.


The subject here is dealing with the idea that the Mormons don't have any authority, and Im in agreement with the ***le statement to that effect.


the truth is....when you look at the ***le of this topic, "still no mormon 'authority.'" it actually looks more like the people that disagree with that and do believe that Mormons have authority are the ones who are actually stepping outside the given ***le's topic.....



But like I said, even if felt the pro-Mormon Authority side of the question should not post on a clearly Anti-authority topic, I would not try to stop them!

AND.....and I would not try to ***ume that because Erundur posted on a clearly "Anti-mormon Authority" topic that must mean he admits the Mormons have no authority.

I would not do that, nor post that, as it would be wrong to knowingly misrepresent your views like that....
(the Golden Rule again)



So lets not do that again...ok?

[alanmolstad]

No they're not. If Mormons don't have the Royal Priesthood, then "Christian"'s boasting about his supposed authority has no place in the Mormonism forum because there is no connection to Mormonism. If you feel there is a connection, feel free to enlighten me.

A guest might have all kinds of different views on many things that might come up in a conversation about the lack of Mormon authority.

Thus we should not stand in the way of a guest feeling free to come to this topic called "still no mormon 'authority.'

and posting whatever they feel inspired to post.

We should not criticize a guest's right to post here because from the given ***le still no mormon 'authority.'and the common manner this forum does tend to have conversations evolve, we should welcome and expect all kinds a different points of view on the topic.







Therefor your conclusion that just because a person posted on this topic it has to mean they have to agree with you on it........


...........is..........


.......silly.

[alanmolstad]

If I ever care what "Christian" believes, I'll ask him.


well watch this then...
Im going to ask him about the topic...

[alanmolstad]

Mormons follow a false christ and a false prophet. . .ergo you are NOT part of the Royal Priesthood of the REAL Jesus Christ.



Christian, would you please tell us all your views on the topic here dealing with the lack of any Mormon Authority?

Feel free to build on this subject and talk about any of the things that might come up when dealing with this topic, or even ones slightly related ( or "connected") to it....

[Erundur]

Im afraid so.....
Check post #8
I'm afraid not. In post #8 I reasoned:

If Mormons don't have the Royal Priesthood, then this is the wrong forum to talk about it.
But this is not the wrong forum to talk about it.
Therefore, Mormons have the Royal Priesthood.

I said nothing about automatically totally agreeing with me. You are misrepresenting what I said--let's not do that again...ok?

[Erundur]

A guest might have all kinds of different views on many things that might come up in a conversation about the lack of Mormon authority.

Thus we should not stand in the way of a guest feeling free to come to this topic called "still no mormon 'authority.'

and posting whatever they feel inspired to post.
Should we stand in the way of someone pointing out that the guest has taken inconsistent positions on the topic?



Therefor your conclusion that just because a person posted on this topic it has to mean they have to agree with you on it........
Except I didn't conclude that, now did I?

[alanmolstad]

I'm afraid not. In post #8 I reasoned:

If Mormons don't have the Royal Priesthood, then this is the wrong forum to talk about it.


who says?
Mormons dont have any Royal priesthood, and this is a great topic to talk about that on....

The topic here is what again?.......what isit?

The topic here is - ]"still no mormon 'authority.'[/SIZE]
So really anything dealing with the fact that there is no type of Mormon authority is fair game here...

Thus if I decide to only talk about the lack of any type of real authority including a "royal priesthood" this is a good place to begin that conversation...


case-closed

[alanmolstad]

Should we stand in the way of someone pointing out that the guest has taken inconsistent positions on the topic?

?

see post #18.....

if you want to know what Christian thinks, ask Christian what he thinks.

In the same way....
If you want to know what I think of all the claims of Mormon authority, just ask.... :)

[alanmolstad]

Should we stand in the way of someone pointing out that the guest has taken inconsistent positions on the topic?

?

see post #18.....

if you want to know what Christian thinks, ask Christian what he thinks.

In the same way....
If you want to know what I think of all the claims of Mormon authority, just ask.... :)

[alanmolstad]

Christian, would you please tell us all your views on the topic here dealing with the lack of any Mormon Authority?

Feel free to build on this subject and talk about any of the things that might come up when dealing with this topic, or even ones slightly related ( or "connected") to it....
while you get back to me with your answer christian, i thought i would take this opportunity to tell you my own thoughts on this topic of there being a real lack of any true Mormon authority.


My view is the following on the question of any forms of Mormon Authority:

It's all fake.

All forms of Mormon Authority are just fake things dreamed up by the Mormon church, or dreamed up by Smith himself to help him bed women.

You have to understand that whenever I think about what Mormons really are, or what Mormonism itself is, I come away thinking its a false religion,,,it's a CULT based on the invented ideas of a known Sexual predator.

I believe the Mormon founder Joe Smith was a sexual pervert.

I believe that the Mormon founder Smith used this invented religion that he dreamed up to get into young girls pants.
And that's really about all anybody needs to know about the guy.
Because when you look at the way he went after girl after girl, sister after sister, and even the underage little girls as well as the married women????/what more do you need to know about the guy to tell he was a pervert?.


What about modern Mormons?
What do I think of modern Mormon men?

ANSWER: I believe that all modern Mormons are part of this pattern of being in it only for the dream of unlimited sex with willing wives.
Thats is how deep-set into Mormonism I think this idea of having sex with lots of women is dug in the heart of Mormonism.

Thus when someone talks to me about the Mormon's claim of their having some type of "Royal priesthood" I just laugh at the craziness of that idea.

The Mormon church is so far out of line that i cant even get a radar-fix on them...LOL :)





So Christian, thats my own view of our topic here dealing with the lack of any Mormon authority, and i look forward to hearing about your own views on the topic !

[Erundur]

who says?
The owners of the board. You realize this is the "Mormonism (LDS)" forum, don't you?


The topic here is what again?.......what isit?

The topic here is - ]"still no mormon 'authority.'[/SIZE]
You realize I'm talking about the "WHO has more authority than I do" thread, don't you?

[alanmolstad]

You realize I'm talking about the "WHO has more authority than I do" thread, don't you?If I ever wanted to know what you were talking about I would ask you...(see post #18 for more clarification)


Right now Im asking Christian what his views are on the lack of any real Mormon authority?

[MickeyS]

"ANSWER: I believe that all modern Mormons are part of this pattern of being in it only for the dream of unlimited sex with willing wives."

Did you just accuse all LDS men of wanting to have sex with multiple women??

You just singled out my husband, father, father-in-law, and many other relatives and friends. AND you just completely and personally accused male LDS members of this forum.

All because of your opinion of one man.

I'm sorry Alan, but you just wasted all your words of pointing out what you saw as ignorant and misleading claims. That you were chuckling about because they were so preposterous and ridiculous and then you just made the boldest most ignorant logically flawed claim of them all.

There is NO LOGICAL WAY you can come to that conclusion with ANY of the information you have, both true and false, real and imagined. None...none, zero, absolute zero logic in that conclusion.

And as far as "authority", you are so beyond any sort of authority to even p*** that judgment. But...you want to play judge and juror...it's up to you...pay the price.

[alanmolstad]

"ANSWER: I believe that all modern Mormons are part of this pattern of being in it only for the dream of unlimited sex with willing wives."

Did you just accuse all LDS men of wanting to have sex with multiple women??

.Let me tell you a story that will explain my views of Mormon men...


Many years ago I was asked by my church to teach a night cl*** on how to witness to the CULTS.

I was tasked with talking on the Jehovah's Witnesses and a guy named Ed Decker would speak after me on how to handle the Mormons.

Ed told the story of one time being asked to have dinner with a family from his church.
During the dinner it was reveled that the daughter of the husband and wife who had inviting to dinner was currently engaged to a Mormon boy.

The evening p***ed without any conversations about the difference between the Christian religion and the Mormons, but then at some point the father asked the future son-in-law about some type of Mormon stuff dealing with their wedding, at at that point the daughter interrupted the conversation with an answer they she felt would end the discussion.

Ed Decker turned to her and remarked that she has a wonderful at***ude toward things, especially given the fact that according to Mormon teachings, in the future Kingdom, her husband would share the physical affections of many "wives".

That got a laugh from the daughter in the other room, and she remarked to Ed that she was sure her future husband would not have any other wives in the afterlife except for her...and that she was sure she would be 'enough" for him.


There was odd silence for a moment out of the Mormon boy....
and then the Boy rsponded to the daughter that Ed Decker was correct as to Mormon beliefs, and that he did indeed plan to have other wives in the future afterlife.

That got the daughters attention from the kitchen, and she appeared at the doorway....and had a shocked look on her face at what he had just said to everyone....


and.....long story short....they did not get married!....






Now...Im sure that many wives dont know this about what plans their husbands have..

But...

But the fact is, Mormon men are not in a religion like Mormonism, that has as one of it historical hallmarks the idea that men can have other wives as shown by its founder Smith, by accident.

[alanmolstad]

for more thoughts on the question of a Mormon man having many wives in the Mormon after life, here is a link to a forum where a bunch of people talked about this issue.
http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,1647155

[Christian]

erunder posted:



Originally Posted by Christian View Post
Why do you make such COMPLETELY FALSE CLAIMS as you have made here?

Why do you ask questions based on false premises?

Like the one YOU just asked?



I have NEVER (not in THAT thread or any other) said that those who believe false gods and false christs have the Royal Priesthood of the REAL Jesus Christ.



Of course not! You said that Mormons have the Royal Priesthood of the REAL Jesus Christ.

I have never said any such thing. SHOW US EXACTLY WHERE you think I did. Dishonesty is NOT a Christian trait. Why do you tell such falsehoods?


YOU KNOW the mormons have no 'authority' from God.


That is a lie.

Yah Yah, and the moon is made of green cheese too, huh? Sorry erunder, YOU KNOW you have no authority over anyone but those poor deceived souls that belong to your own cult. Outside of mormonism, you have nothing over anyone ANYWHERE.

[Christian]

I thought I was being clear. . .the mormons have no authority to act for the REAL God of the Bible because they follow a FAKE prophet and FAKE gods. I think you and I agree.

I don't know exactly WHERE to start if you want me to continue from that point regarding all of the regurgitations of joe smith and his ​FAKE RELIGION.

[Christian]

erunder posted:


Originally Posted by alanmolstad http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/images/****ons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166570#post166570)
A guest might have all kinds of different views on many things that might come up in a conversation about the lack of Mormon authority.

Thus we should not stand in the way of a guest feeling free to come to this topic called "still no mormon 'authority.'

and posting whatever they feel inspired to post.


Why don't you like me posting the TRUTH? Does it REALLY hurt that badly?

Should we stand in the way of someone pointing out that the guest has taken inconsistent positions on the topic?

​My position has not been inconsistent at all. I have stated clearly many times that joe smith (your cult's founder and inventor) was a fraud, a fake, a liar and a common con-man criminal who tried to shoot his way out of jail, and that his newly-invented religion is NOT FROM GOD AT ALL, and that your mormon religion HAS NO AUTHORITY OVER ANYONE OUTSIDE ITSELF AT ALL. NOTHING FROM GOD AT ALL either.


Therefor your conclusion that just because a person posted on this topic it has to mean they have to agree with you on it........

Except I didn't conclude that, now did I?

​I don't know if it went through your own little mind loud enough for YOU to hear it, but it is obvious to the REST OF US that appears to be what you conclude. . .REGULARLY about MANY OF OUR POSTS.

[Erundur]

Like the one YOU just asked?
No, like the one you asked.


I have never said any such thing. SHOW US EXACTLY WHERE you think I did.
Like I said, you created the "WHO has more authority than I do" thread talking about the Royal Priesthood. I pointed out that unless Mormons have the Royal Priesthood, this is the wrong forum to discuss it. That's because it would simply be a thread of you boasting about your supposed authority, and have absolutely no connection to Mormonism. You replied and confirmed that this is the correct forum for the thread, implying that Mormons have the Royal Priesthood.

So which is it? Do Mormons have the Royal Priesthood, or was that thread simply a "Look how awesome I am!" thread with no relevance to Mormonism?


Dishonesty is NOT a Christian trait.
No, it's an anti-Mormon trait.


Why do you tell such falsehoods?
Why do you ask questions based on false premises?


Sorry erunder, YOU KNOW you have no authority over anyone but those poor deceived souls that belong to your own cult.
That is a lie.


Outside of mormonism, you have nothing over anyone ANYWHERE.
False.

[Erundur]

Why don't you like me posting the TRUTH? Does it REALLY hurt that badly?
You should try posting some sometime so we can find out.

[MickeyS]

Let me tell you a story that will explain my views of Mormon men...


Many years ago I was asked by my church to teach a night cl*** on how to witness to the CULTS.

I was tasked with talking on the Jehovah's Witnesses and a guy named Ed Decker would speak after me on how to handle the Mormons.

Ed told the story of one time being asked to have dinner with a family from his church.
During the dinner it was reveled that the daughter of the husband and wife who had inviting to dinner was currently engaged to a Mormon boy.

The evening p***ed without any conversations about the difference between the Christian religion and the Mormons, but then at some point the father asked the future son-in-law about some type of Mormon stuff dealing with their wedding, at at that point the daughter interrupted the conversation with an answer they she felt would end the discussion.

Ed Decker turned to her and remarked that she has a wonderful at***ude toward things, especially given the fact that according to Mormon teachings, in the future Kingdom, her husband would share the physical affections of many "wives".

That got a laugh from the daughter in the other room, and she remarked to Ed that she was sure her future husband would not have any other wives in the afterlife except for her...and that she was sure she would be 'enough" for him.


There was odd silence for a moment out of the Mormon boy....
and then the Boy rsponded to the daughter that Ed Decker was correct as to Mormon beliefs, and that he did indeed plan to have other wives in the future afterlife.

That got the daughters attention from the kitchen, and she appeared at the doorway....and had a shocked look on her face at what he had just said to everyone....


and.....long story short....they did not get married!....






Now...Im sure that many wives dont know this about what plans their husbands have..

But...

But the fact is, Mormon men are not in a religion like Mormonism, that has as one of it historical hallmarks the idea that men can have other wives as shown by its founder Smith, by accident.

Now you just called my husband a liar who's hiding stuff from me?? I'm sorry Alan, but how freaking dare you? Since I am married to a Mormon man who I KNOW very well, I can quantifiably tell you your claim is a flat out lie. It's a lie, you're lying Alan. Maybe YOU believe it, but I can't come to the conclusion that you truly think every Mormon man is in a secret sex club they don't tell their wives about. You just attacked my family. I take that VERY personal.

[alanmolstad]

Now you just called my husband a liar who's hiding stuff from me?? I'm sorry Alan, but how freaking dare you? Since I am married to a Mormon man who I KNOW very well, I can quantifiably tell you your claim is a flat out lie. It's a lie, you're lying Alan. Maybe YOU believe it, but I can't come to the conclusion that you truly think every Mormon man is in a secret sex club they don't tell their wives about. You just attacked my family. I take that VERY personal.
take a pill.....


Im saying that it is no accident that men join a religion that has as one of its central core teachings, stemming down all the way to its founder , this idea that men can get away with having tons, and tons of sex with different women....


You dont accidentally join a religion historically known from its very foundation for polygamy.

You dont accidentally join a religion started by a guy who simply was totally unable to keep it in his pants.

You dont accidentally join a religion invented by a guy who would send husbands out of town, and then come sniffing around their wives...



You dont accidentally join a religion with that type of guy as your "example".



No.....its no accident.....

[Christian]

Poor erunder posted:



Originally Posted by christien
Like the one YOU just asked?


No, like the one you asked.

Behaving like a retarded child again, I see. . .your lack of reasoning skills amazes me.

Like I said, you created the "WHO has more authority than I do" thread talking about the Royal Priesthood. I pointed out that unless Mormons have the Royal Priesthood, this is the wrong forum to discuss it.

That was YOUR theory, of course. I had nothing to do with it. YOU don't get to make the rules around here; the owners of the forum do.

That's because it would simply be a thread of you boasting about your supposed authority, and have absolutely no connection to Mormonism. You replied and confirmed that this is the correct forum for the thread, implying that Mormons have the Royal Priesthood.

I said this was the correct forum fro my thread because your false prophet, false christ, and false authority are all fakes, and that is what this forum is about, showing the world the ignorance and falsehood of your cult. THEN you pretended that I somehow said the mormons were followers of the REAL Jesus Christ, a pretense I have completely debunked and shown to be false. You really shouldn't tell such lies erunder. . .it makes your religion look bad.

So which is it? Do Mormons have the Royal Priesthood, or was that thread simply a "Look how awesome I am!" thread with no relevance to Mormonism?

Neither. It appears to show how uneducated and unable to reason in a straight line you are. I have never said I am awesome. I have merely said that the REAL Jesus Christ, the One the Bible teaches of. . .HE is the AWESOME ONE.

BUT your ignorance of logical reasoning confuses you, so you play your little 'pretend' games and 'No, YOU asked,' 'No, YOU asked.' games.

[Christian]

You should try posting some sometime so we can find out.

I guess you mormons don't practice what you preach.

[MickeyS]

take a pill.....


Im saying that it is no accident that men join a religion that has as one of its central core teachings, stemming down all the way to its founder , this idea that men can get away with having tons, and tons of sex with different women....


You dont accidentally join a religion historically known from its very foundation for polygamy.

You dont accidentally join a religion started by a guy who simply was totally unable to keep it in his pants.

You dont accidentally join a religion invented by a guy who would send husbands out of town, and then come sniffing around their wives...



You dont accidentally join a religion with that type of guy as your "example".



No.....its no accident.....


You just did it again. What do you get out of directly and repeatedly insulting people you DON'T KNOW?? You keep attacking members of this forum personally...take a pill, really?

And, no...me, my husband...my family...we did not join a religion founded by someone who was unable to "keep it in his pants". Period.

And since you repeatedly have shown absolutely zero proof that Joseph Smith propositioned ANYONE for sex..(except for your accounts by people you yourself have admitted to be liars).you really need to quit stating that as "fact", because it isn't.

You continue to insult my entire family based on your baseless ramblings..,and it's no accident that you keep doing it. So when I say you're a liar Alan....and you continue to lie about me, my faith and my family, you can go ahead and take a pill too, 'kay?

[alanmolstad]

You just did it again. What do you get out of directly and repeatedly insulting people you DON'T KNOW?? You keep attacking members of this forum personally...take a pill, really?

And, no...me, my husband...my family...we did not join a religion founded by someone who was unable to "keep it in his pants". Period.

And since you repeatedly have shown absolutely zero proof that Joseph Smith propositioned ANYONE for sex..(except for your accounts by people you yourself have admitted to be liars).you really need to quit stating that as "fact", because it isn't.

You continue to insult my entire family based on your baseless ramblings..,and it's no accident that you keep doing it. So when I say you're a liar Alan....and you continue to lie about me, my faith and my family, you can go ahead and take a pill too, 'kay?
Because of the clear interest in the topic I think I might start a new topic on the Mormon teaching on endless sex in the Mormon version of the afterlife. .


Stay tuned!

[MickeyS]

LOL....the ONLY person interested in this...is you!! Please show me ONE other person who really cares about what you have to say about sex. Please... Your megalomania is astounding

[Erundur]

Behaving like a retarded child again, I see. . .your lack of reasoning skills amazes me.
LOL! And I bet you can't figure out why no one takes you seriously.

[alanmolstad]

.......
Behaving like a __________.......[/COLOR]

who said this line?

[MickeyS]

You know exactly who said it..please don't pretend to be shocked

[Jill]

MickeyS, Alan is pointing to MORMON THEOLOGY. Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young were the ones (among other Mormon leaders) who taught this. It is still part of Mormon doctrine, so unless you can show the LDS Church has renounced this doctrine, please control your anger or aim it where it belongs. Also, please do not call other board members liars (or any other names). Thanks.

[alanmolstad]

......
What about modern Mormons?
What do I think of modern Mormon men?

ANSWER: I believe that all modern Mormons are part of this pattern of being in it only for the dream of unlimited sex with willing wives.
Thats is how deep-set into Mormonism I think this idea of having sex with lots of women is dug in the heart of Mormonism.

Thus .....


I was going to write a bit more on this issue and the times this same topic has come up in my personal life.

a story:
Around the time I was teaching at my church on the topic of "Outreach To The CULTS" I also worked with a few Mormons.
One day over lunch I sat down with the two Mormons that I knew were always talking to each other about "Mormon stuff"and in-between bites we started to talk about getting married to other women.

While both of the Mormon coworkers said that would never want to break the current laws against being married to more than one wife, both did tell me that they do study what marriage and sealing mean in the future Kingdom.

I asked them a question "If it becomes a Commandment, would you take another wife?...

One of the guys answered me that he doubted that would ever happen,

I pressed the point and said that if you saw it was a Commandment, would you take another wife or many more?


After a while the guy did admit that "if it was truly a Command,then yes,I would marry more wives"

We then started to talk about what other guys in his Mormon church have said on the matter and what he had learned at different men's studies over the years on the topic?

Finally before lunch was over I asked him,"If he had to marry another women,who would it be?"

Without hesitation, the guy shot back with a name of some girl.

I did not know the name, so I turned to the other Mormon guy and gave him a questioning-look?

"Thats a girl who lives in his apartment building"

"She married?"I asked

"Yes, with a kid" came the answer...

Then they explained that even Smith took the wives of other married men,so "its not a big deal "

"Ok I get that" I answered...."It's just kinda interesting to me how he seems to have come up with a name so fast."

The guys smiled at my words...

"I think he has a list" the other Mormon said....

[alanmolstad]

MickeyS, Alan is pointing to MORMON THEOLOGY. Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young were the ones (among other Mormon leaders) who taught this. ......

Thanks Jill !

Now where was I?
Oh yes -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJNYbsJLYyo&list=PLF6D4ECE0201560EE&index=2

[MickeyS]

MickeyS, Alan is pointing to MORMON THEOLOGY. Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young were the ones (among other Mormon leaders) who taught this. It is still part of Mormon doctrine, so unless you can show the LDS Church has renounced this doctrine, please control your anger or aim it where it belongs. Also, please do not call other board members liars (or any other names). Thanks.

Ok Jill....please refer to Alans post below. He is repeatedly falsely accusing MY husband (as he says ALL modern Mormons being in is for the SEX) Since I KNOW FIRSTHAND that what he is saying is not only inaccurate but insulting and mocking..

Please Jill...please tell me how this is not breaking YOUR RULES of personal attacks against members and repeated baiting.

Please explain, since there is absolutely NOTHING in Mormon doctrine that establishes that the church was founded on SEX, that all Mormon men crave SEX, and that SEX is taught as pre-cursor to joining the church.

Because there is NOT...he is repeatedly being dishonest about his "facts" and you are supporting him. Is this really how your dad ran his ministry? By spouting his personal opinions about sex?? Once again...your rules seem to be a joke, really. Because I (and anyone else) can sit and say "Those statements seem completely disgusting, ridiculous, ignorant, asinine, illogical and completely unintelligent." And that's fine. But point out when something is a flat lie (since I KNOW FIRSTHAND that what he's saying is not true) and that's not allowed?

What are you hoping to accomplish with these seemingly ridiculous non-sensical "rules"??

Not to mention the repeated baiting and mocking that is just blatant.

What are you hoping to accomplish??

But to address your statement of renouncing "doctrine"?? There never was doctrine about SEX SEX and more SEX. Only for the SEX. Joining the church just for SEX. Being horny and SEX craved as a pre-cursor to church membership. Show me official church doctrine that states otherwise and then we'll talk.

[MickeyS]

Especially since Christian can call people "retarded" and constantly refer to them by names other than their username. More broken "rules"

Do your "rules" ONLY apply to Mormons? If so, you really just need to be honest about that and state such, or remove those other "rules" completely. How is anyone supposed to follow one rule when they repeatedly witness everyone breaking all the others? Just be honest.

I am dying to know, since your "moderator" has never once given me a straight answer

[alanmolstad]

Did Mormon Founder Joseph Smith Suffer From Sexual Addiction?



That is a good question...





Here is a link to some information on the topic -
http://clindquist-rudeawakening.blogspot.com/2011/11/was-mormon-founder-joseph-smith-sex.html



I quote what is written there:
" But the more I read in the course of my research, the more repugnant became the whole Mormon scheme of 'celestial marriage', 'spiritual wives', 'plural wives'.
And no matter how it was eventually justified by the Mormon Church, it seemed to me that Mormon polygamy was really just another example of that familiar, age-old, male behavior.

Nothing more, nothing less.

So who was responsible for initiating this morally repugant and unchristian sexual behavior in Mormonism?

All of the recent historical accounts (Mormon and non-Mormon) point clearly to none other than Joseph Smith himself."

[MickeyS]

Thanks Jill !

Now where was I?
Oh yes -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJNYbsJLYyo&list=PLF6D4ECE0201560EE&index=2

What does this have to do with this discussion and the SEX doctrine you are both claiming is taught?

[MickeyS]

Thanks Jill !

Now where was I?
Oh yes -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJNYbsJLYyo&list=PLF6D4ECE0201560EE&index=2

What does this have to do with this discussion and the SEX doctrine you are both claiming is taught?

[alanmolstad]

What does this have to do with this discussion and the SEX doctrine you are both claiming is taught?

Mickey,


In the video Walter Martin talks about "authority" in connection with the Mormons...

Perhaps you might enjoy watching the video and picking up a few tips from Walter on how to spot fake authority from real authority....

[MickeyS]

Mickey,


In the video Walter Martin talks about "authority" in connection with the Mormons...

Perhaps you might enjoy watching the video and picking up a few tips from Walter on how to spot fake authority from real authority....

Yes the OP is about priesthood authority. But YOU Alan were talking about SEX, and Jill was backing up your SEX doctrine claim. You were responding to Jills comment about me reacting to your accusation that my husband is a SEX fiend, that you know he joined the church only because he wanted to have SEX. So I will ask you again, what does this vid I have to with what Jill said to me?

But to address your video, with all due respect, Walter Martin never spoke directly with God, so he can't tell God that He is not allowed to add to or clarify His Word. So, what Walter is talking about is his opinion and belief, and he's completely en***led to it, as I am en***led to disagree with it.

Please direct me to scripture that states that God will NEVER speak to man again.

[Christian]

LOL! And I bet you can't figure out why no one takes you seriously.

You can't address the rest of my post intelligently, can you? You have been shown to be responding on the level of 'No you didn't. . .yes you did. . .no you didn't,' but you cannot address the fact that your religion has no authority from God or any authority over anyone but YOUR OWN CULT.

So you attack me personally instead, and run away. . .

It figures. . .if that is the best you can do, it is the best you can do.

[alanmolstad]

Now as Walter shows usin the video I posted...Mormons do not trust the Bible ,rather they have other works that the edit their faith to agree with.
this is seen in the following inview:

Ankerberg: Alright, let’s jump to another group and that is the Latter-day Saints, the Mormons in Salt Lake City. Now, I’ve talked with them here on the program as well as on airplanes and in airports and at universities and so on. They will start out and say, “Well, yes, we agree with the Bible.” But then they have a few other books that they throw in too. Would you comment on that?

Martin: Well, Mormonism says, “The Bible is the Word of God insofar as it is correctly translated.” Now, that means that wherever the Bible contradicts Doctrine and Covenants, Pearl of Great Price, or the Book of Mormon – their three sacred books – the Bible is no longer the authority. They and their general authorities are the authority. So when you are dealing with Mormonism, that’s exactly what you’re going to run up against.

....the interview goes on....


Ankerberg: Okay. Do those books ever contradict outright a statement in Scripture? Give me an example.

Martin: Oh, yes. For instance, the Bible says there is only one God. In fact, Jesus Christ said, “The greatest of all commandments is there is only one God. Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.” [Mark 12:29] And the Mormons say, “As man is, God once was; as God is, man may become,” which means that you can become a god through the priesthood of the Mormon Church, just as much of a god as Jesus or His Father. So they are polytheists.




So now as for how to know if the book of Mormon has real authority or not?


Ankerberg: Okay, what do you do when they say, “Now, if you really want to know the truth, what you have to do is you’ve got to go pray about it”?

Martin: Well, you don’t have to go and pray about something God has specifically said. For instance, God said, “Thou shalt not steal.” [Ex. 20:15] Now, it’s ludicrous when you have an opportunity to steal something to bow your head and say, “I’ve got to pray about it.” You know automatically God said it. So when the Mormons say, “Pray about the Book of Mormon,” you don’t have to pray about the Book of Mormon. All you have to do is take God’s Word, compare it to the Book of Mormon and Mormon theology, and God has spoken. You reject it.







So we are to judge anything anyone say, by the Word Of God....

No matter who is speaking....

No matter who they appear to be, or who they claim to be.
We are to take what they say and judge it by the Word of God....

For the Word is the authority.

[Erundur]

You can't address the rest of my post intelligently, can you?
I'll try...

You're behaving like a retarded child!

How'd I do?

[MickeyS]

Yes, I watched the video. I understand how the concept works, that's how I know how to judge Walter Martin's words, because they contradict God's.

You know how many interpretations there are of The Bible? How they differ from translation to translation, and how even "Christians" can't agree on EVERY single bit of it? Even though they are supposedly just translations, the meaning of many things change between each version. Like how the NIV of the Bible appears to show that God agrees with abortion and doesn't value the unborn as highly as His other children, when the KJV clearly shows different.

There was so much confusion about the Bible immediately after the Apostles died, that the early church fathers and politicians of the time had to hold councils to determine which interpretation was right, and MAN decided what the "correct" doctrine would be.

Why the confusion? Because God was no longer speaking directly to His servants. There were no prophets, there were no revelators. MAN decided on the nature of God from the philosophies of MAN mingled with scripture. And they came up with a definition that they decided fit what they think God should be. In other words, they put Him in the "God box" like you do. Now when God comes around and corrects that, we really should be listening. That's why I know that in the end, Walter Mattin has no authority to decide what God wants, since He has never spoken to Him. I understand you all follow the teachings of what MEN decided the Bible was saying, and that's your right to that belief, but I rely on God. And that's my belief.

It's okay Alan, if you don't understand it, I promise, it is going to be revealed to you. That's why I'm not worried about that day when it comes, because although I'm far from knowing everything, I've got the basics as they were revealed directly from God.

[alanmolstad]

Yes, I watched the video..

a story:


A long time ago 2 guys stopped at my house to talk about their heavenly father...

After a while I asked a few questions, and learned that I had some fun things in common with one of the guys....so i invited just him to drop by the next week.

I had my doubts, but darned if he did not show up with his wife who sat in the car while the guy and I had a nice conversation.
We talked a few times after that, when i suggested that i go to "his" house next time....

he was very shocked....

Turns out that in all his travels and all his door-to-door stops, that I was the first person that ask to go to his house next time.

So the next time I show up at his house and I have a folder of handouts and photo copies of the history of his religion.

he does not have time to look at them, so we just talk.
next week the same thing, I show up with a whole set of new photocopies for him, and he just shoves them off to the side and we talk.

thats about the last time i saw him...
Oh except for one other time, when i saw him and his family getting baptized at my church.
I had lost track of him, when suddenly there he was getting baptized?

So naturally I wanted to take "CREDIT" for his salvation, so I went up to him later and asked him what opened his eyes to the Truth?
(I expected to hear that it was some type of flawless argument i had used )


But....

it turns out....


My efforts were a moot point.

it turns out that after I left him after our meeting, his daughter and son-in-law would drop by and go over all the photocopies that i had dropped of..

They went over every reference the photocopies to make sure they were correct?.....they went over each bible verse that i guess was listed on the footnotes of the photocopies....

They went over everything....

To tell the truth, I simply hit "PRINT" to a lot of that stuff I had dropped off with him..I really have no clue what some of it was about?


anyway. turns out that in the action of researching my photocopies, that the guy came to see the truth....



thus.....for all my efforts..for all my work,,,for all my late nights in researching and practicing how to say things during out meetings....all that stuff was a moot point.


In the vast plan of God to save this man and his family, my part was that i was the guy who had a finger and hit "PRINT"...........





from this I have learned to not worry too much if I don't see results with my eyes from all my work and study to help people see the truth.

last time this happened all I did was hit "print"....

God has his own plan and Im just happy it was me he picked to be a small part of his plan.

[MickeyS]

That's a sad story Alan...you just don't realize what side you're really working for. So, I'm not sure what any of that means except that people are gullible and will believe anything if they aren't close enough to their Heavenly Father.

Especially with the Internet which gives people the power to hide behind anonymity and lie about the things they say simply because of their personal feelings about a person or belief, and as long as it leads others to feel that bitterness and contempt, they will say anything and attempt to convince themselves that they're doing it for the "right" reasons. And then congratulate them selves when they've accomplished making another person feel that loathing as well. They will actually feel good about themselves for causing others to feel bitterness and hate.

Either way, it isn't the Holy Spirit that's guiding these people, it's HATE. Nobody should be converted because of HATE.

I have many stories about converts who have come from "Christian" religions but felt there was always something missing or that so much doctrine was incomplete or made no sense. It was like...it's almost there, but they just don't feel that they are receiving a fullness of the gospel.

Then they visit with a member or the missionaries and are introduced to true doctrine and they're like "OH...this is EXACTLY what was missing" and it all falls into place. A very large number of members in my ward down here in the South have had these conversion experiences and they are very strong members of the Gospel and amazing people.

And the best part is, these experiences are built upon LOVE and joy, not bitterness, hate and prejudice. Not a common enemy, but a common love, a love for the Savior.

Gods true doctrine focuses on what will lead us to develop joy and to progress towards being better people for ourselves, our families, and our fellow man. Not to get stuck in a rut of doubts and contempt that lead to a life of focusing on the tearing down of others.

The Gospel is about being uplifted and edified. I see absolutely none of that here. In my experience with this site and this forum, this entire "ministry" seems to only focus on the hate of others. I'm not saying that because you disagree with me, I don't believe that everyone who disagrees with me is filled with hate, but I have yet to see any efforts of "conversion" here.

It truly just feels like a place people come to feel superior to others in their beliefs. To feel satisfaction in taunts and mockery. It's just what I have observed. It doesn't feel like it's inspired by The Spirit at all, and if I didn't already have a strong testimony of Christ, I would likely come away with a very low opinion of "Christians" That's the conclusion I have come to anyway.

But I do agree with you, I don't need to see results of any opportunities I have to share the Gospel, it's not about "keeping score" As long as you are sincere in your testimony and have the Spirit with you to guide you and strive to exemplify Christlike attributes. I know I fall short of being Christlike when pride gets in the way (I am well aware of when I fall short, especially here in this forum), and I'm always trying to keep myself in check and remember that it's more important to be true than to be "right".

[Christian]

I'll try...

You're behaving like a retarded child!

How'd I do?

Am I supposed to be IMPRESSED with your ignorance? I notice you didn't address even ONE issue of the rest of the post.
I am underwhelmed.

[Erundur]

Am I supposed to be IMPRESSED with your ignorance?
Am I supposed to be impressed with yours?


I notice you didn't address even ONE issue of the rest of the post.
No need. At that point, you lost.

[Christian]

Still no 'authority' by mormons over anyone but their own huddle. No evidence of any 'authority' from God for them either.

[Christian]

OK... So this guy and his family became Mormon.... What's the big deal, that happens all the time.


Sorry way, but you mis-read his post. The guy and his family became CHRISTIANS and joined a DIFFERENT church. They clearly LEFT the mormon cult.

Perhaps you should re-read the post.

No big deal, folks leave the mormon religious cult to join the body of JESUS CHRIST instead all the time. . .:)

My neighbors and their family left the mormon religious cult. When they did, her bishop told her she should divorce her husband and take the kids. . .then he cussed her out when she wouldn't.

[Christian]

some way posted:

No... Let's look at the facts...
First, he said that 2 guys showed up at his door, and then one returned with his wife in the car.
This couldn't possibly be Mormon missionaries and have both a companion and a wife, nor could it even be home teachers of our church. Most likely they were Johovah Witnesses that came to the door.

Not necessarily so. I have met older mormon missionaries who were married, yet went with younger folks with them.

Second, he said he saw them being baptized at his church building. Now that rules out most Protestant Churches, as they no longer do baptisms.

What planet are YOU from? Virtually ALL Christian churches baptize. Your theory that we don't do baptisms is completely off the wall wrong; it shows the ignorance of your religion about True Christianity.

Note also, he stated that he viewed him as saved at the time of his baptism... That definitely rules out all Evangelicals and Calvinists, and any other faith Aloners.

In other words, you haven't a CLUE what you are talking about.

The clincher that they were converted to the Mormon Church, is when he stated that he xeroxed "the Truth" and gave it to him... Now we all know that the truth only exists in one Church... The Mormon Church.

More ignorance of the truth by you. The mormon religion is a heathen cult, nothing more. No Truth there.

Why you even backed that up by saying they became Christians... Well, you couldn't get any more Christian than Mormon.

Only mormon cultists would believe that. No REAL Christians believe that. Once again you speak from ignorance.

Basically, this smells of a trap by Alan, he wanted us to criticize the story so they he could come back with "see I proved my point that all you guys do is contradict me no matter what I say, because these guys really converted to Mormonism"
Alan's mad because I sprung his little trap.

I really doubt Alan's mad at all. ALL YOU HAVE DONE is show your ignorance of evangelical Christianity.

But then, what makes you think it was any different?

The total ignorance of your post. Your totally FALSE ***UMPTIONS.

Nope sorry... You took you little made-up too far. I have absolutely no problem calling this an outright lie...
Bishops are told to counsel couples to stay together no matter what.. Unless there was physical abuse.

Not what my next-door neighbor saw when she (a sixth generation mormon) told her bishop they were leaving the mormon religion to become Christians instead. He told her to divorce her husband and leave with the kids. When her husband saw her tears he took the phone from her. The bishop was cussing her out because she had refused.

Next time, if you want someone to believe you, you should bring your story down to reality a little.

Reality is what I have told you. I will not change it to cover up the foibles of your religious cult. Only YOU can do that.

And calling me a liar doesn't change the TRUTH of what I said. It only shows you for what you are.

AND STILL NO AUTHORITY FOR THE MORMONS FROM GOD!

[Christian]

Am I supposed to be impressed with yours?


I notice you didn't address even ONE issue of the rest of the post.

No need. At that point, you lost.

Your ignorance is showing. . .

[Christian]

Yes... You lost this argument a long time ago Christian when I pointed out that you misused and misinterpreted a scripture you were try to use to prove your point.
But then, you already knew it wouldn't work because you tried this over at CARM and they pointed out the same flaws in your logic.

Isn't that right, Morefish?

EXACTLY WHAT scripture did I misuse or misinterpret here or anywhere poddledoo? So far you have not found any scripture I have done either with. All you have done here is make false CLAIMS that I did that.

[Christian]

wrong way posted:


Originally Posted by Christian http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/images/****ons/viewpost-right.png (http://www.waltermartin.com/forums/showthread.php?p=166702#post166702)
some way posted:

No... Let's look at the facts...
First, he said that 2 guys showed up at his door, and then one returned with his wife in the car.
This couldn't possibly be Mormon missionaries and have both a companion and a wife, nor could it even be home teachers of our church. Most likely they were Johovah Witnesses that came to the door.

Not necessarily so. I have met older mormon missionaries who were married, yet went with younger folks with them.

Second, he said he saw them being baptized at his church building. Now that rules out most Protestant Churches, as they no longer do baptisms.

What planet are YOU from? Virtually ALL Christian churches baptize. Your theory that we don't do baptisms is completely off the wall wrong; it shows the ignorance of your religion about True Christianity.

Note also, he stated that he viewed him as saved at the time of his baptism... That definitely rules out all Evangelicals and Calvinists, and any other faith Aloners.

In other words, you haven't a CLUE what you are talking about.

The clincher that they were converted to the Mormon Church, is when he stated that he xeroxed "the Truth" and gave it to him... Now we all know that the truth only exists in one Church... The Mormon Church.

More ignorance of the truth by you. The mormon religion is a heathen cult, nothing more. No Truth there.

Why you even backed that up by saying they became Christians... Well, you couldn't get any more Christian than Mormon.

Only mormon cultists would believe that. No REAL Christians believe that. Once again you speak from ignorance.

Basically, this smells of a trap by Alan, he wanted us to criticize the story so they he could come back with "see I proved my point that all you guys do is contradict me no matter what I say, because these guys really converted to Mormonism"
Alan's mad because I sprung his little trap.

I really doubt Alan's mad at all. ALL YOU HAVE DONE is show your ignorance of evangelical Christianity.

But then, what makes you think it was any different?

The total ignorance of your post. Your totally FALSE ***UMPTIONS.

Nope sorry... You took you little made-up too far. I have absolutely no problem calling this an outright lie...
Bishops are told to counsel couples to stay together no matter what.. Unless there was physical abuse.

Not what my next-door neighbor saw when she (a sixth generation mormon) told her bishop they were leaving the mormon religion to become Christians instead. He told her to divorce her husband and leave with the kids. When her husband saw her tears he took the phone from her. The bishop was cussing her out because she had refused.

Next time, if you want someone to believe you, you should bring your story down to reality a little.

Reality is what I have told you. I will not change it to cover up the foibles of your religious cult. Only YOU can do that.

And calling me a liar doesn't change the TRUTH of what I said. It only shows you for what youare.

AND STILL NO AUTHORITY FOR THE MORMONS FROM GOD!

Please.... All you did was bring up more red flags about why your story is not to be believed.

Why should it not be believed? Because it is TRUE and you don't like it?

You stated that your neighbors BOTH decided to leave the LDS Church, and told the Bishop that on the phone.

They did and they did. First she did, then when her husband took the phone from his crying wife and heard the bishop cursing at her he did too.

First.... A Bishop would never have discussed such matters over the phone... And most likely not without them both there.

But the REALITY of the matter is that he did.


Second.... Why on earth would a Bishop tell her to divorce her husband if they were BOTH leaving??? What would that solve? That wouldn't bring her back to our Church if she had already decided to leave.

Because she had told her bishop that her husband had decided it, and she agreed with him.

You'd have to ask their cursing bishop why he did what he did.

You see, that's the problem with a lie; in order to make it work after your facts are questioned, you have to keep making up more lies to cover-up the first one.

And that is the problem with the TRUTH, YOU have to pretend it was a lie to keep from admitting that you have such bishops and such a phony religion.

Sorry wrongway, but your slander doesn't work for you. We weren't even talking about my neighbors and you have to try to run away from the TRUTH. . .

BTW the two who came to the door was NOT what I told you, but what someone else told you, that you tried to put your own 'spin' on there too!

Doing a lot of dodging and weaving lately, aren't you?

[BigJulie]

wrong way posted:



Please.... All you did was bring up more red flags about why your story is not to be believed.

Why should it not be believed? Because it is TRUE and you don't like it?

You stated that your neighbors BOTH decided to leave the LDS Church, and told the Bishop that on the phone.

They did and they did. First she did, then when her husband took the phone from his crying wife and heard the bishop cursing at her he did too.

First.... A Bishop would never have discussed such matters over the phone... And most likely not without them both there.

But the REALITY of the matter is that he did.


Second.... Why on earth would a Bishop tell her to divorce her husband if they were BOTH leaving??? What would that solve? That wouldn't bring her back to our Church if she had already decided to leave.

Because she had told her bishop that her husband had decided it, and she agreed with him.

You'd have to ask their cursing bishop why he did what he did.

You see, that's the problem with a lie; in order to make it work after your facts are questioned, you have to keep making up more lies to cover-up the first one.

And that is the problem with the TRUTH, YOU have to pretend it was a lie to keep from admitting that you have such bishops and such a phony religion.

Sorry wrongway, but your slander doesn't work for you. We weren't even talking about my neighbors and you have to try to run away from the TRUTH. . .

BTW the two who came to the door was NOT what I told you, but what someone else told you, that you tried to put your own 'spin' on there too!

Doing a lot of dodging and weaving lately, aren't you?
Does anyone else feel like coming into these forums is like reading the latest gossip rag? He said, she said--the one I think must be bad, must truly be terrible?

[BigJulie]

wrong way posted:



Please.... All you did was bring up more red flags about why your story is not to be believed.

Why should it not be believed? Because it is TRUE and you don't like it?

You stated that your neighbors BOTH decided to leave the LDS Church, and told the Bishop that on the phone.

They did and they did. First she did, then when her husband took the phone from his crying wife and heard the bishop cursing at her he did too.

First.... A Bishop would never have discussed such matters over the phone... And most likely not without them both there.

But the REALITY of the matter is that he did.


Second.... Why on earth would a Bishop tell her to divorce her husband if they were BOTH leaving??? What would that solve? That wouldn't bring her back to our Church if she had already decided to leave.

Because she had told her bishop that her husband had decided it, and she agreed with him.

You'd have to ask their cursing bishop why he did what he did.

You see, that's the problem with a lie; in order to make it work after your facts are questioned, you have to keep making up more lies to cover-up the first one.

And that is the problem with the TRUTH, YOU have to pretend it was a lie to keep from admitting that you have such bishops and such a phony religion.

Sorry wrongway, but your slander doesn't work for you. We weren't even talking about my neighbors and you have to try to run away from the TRUTH. . .

BTW the two who came to the door was NOT what I told you, but what someone else told you, that you tried to put your own 'spin' on there too!

Doing a lot of dodging and weaving lately, aren't you?
Does anyone else feel like coming into these forums is like reading the latest gossip rag? He said, she said--the one I think must be bad, must truly be terrible?